Re: bush addresses UN

i swear did anyone else hear atleast part of what he said? i swear, i don't understand how any of them could buy any of that shit. i don't care what he says, there is nothing coming good out of iraq right now. we shouldn't even fucking be there.


ugh, it pisses me off.

Re: Well...

The percentage of people who still buy Bush's shit are in about the 30% range, and those people are basically the people who shoulda been natural selection-ified. They're beyond complex thought; there's nothing we can do about them; no matter what the facts, they'll always be stupid.

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good point, but still. they are the UN, they should have more intelligence than that.

Re: OH SNAP!!

Like, the actual MEMBERS of the UN? Oh, jee... yeah, that shouldn't happen... I can't imagine that the entire establishment would go along with that sorta corruption... violent world, I guess.

But y'know, it's weird... when people go after leaders they go after authoritarian figures, and authoritarian figures are usually corrupt... it's a double-edged sword.

But congratulations, katt, you got the intellegence to question authority.

Re: Re: OH SNAP!!

not the entire UN, the news said that like more people are starting to side with bush or something, b/c he keeps bringing out this stupid mumbo jumbo about all the good stuff that will come out of iraq and stuff.

i just don't see anything good that came our of iraq, i mean yeah we got saddam, but look what has happened to the people of iraq b/c of it.

Re: Does anyone here even know any Iraqis?

Apparently, our main reason for staying in Iraq is to bring them democracy. Protect their rights.

Why should I care? I never met an Iraqi in my life. I got ripped off with bad change from a New York cabby one though. He could have been.

But yea, we've been "training" the Iraqi army for 3 years now? How retarded are they? Load. Aim. Fire. OK, good luck with that Akmullahizzow, and don't forget to vote!

The president is stubborn, and he doesn't have to worry about reelection, so fine. I can accept that. I can accept all this crap about Iraq. But what pisses me off is how he sells out his own country. He backs off from calling our enemies Islamo-fascists or even terrorists anymore! On Sept 11 he told us we'll never forget the "19 men" that did this. The 19 men. Makes me sick. Bush panders to the "sensitive" Muslims in his speeches regarding our real enemy. I don't like what's going on in Iraq, but I especially can't stand him being a pussy.

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Re: Shut up, you cunt.

Look, pretending to not be an insensitive asshole isn't why someone should hate Bush. The fact that he's even pretending to look at some Iraqi people as mislead and corrupted by an environment too influenced by a religion that condones violence against people of different culture is a huge step forward... even if it is just an act. Believe me, man, we're still murdering people, so I guess you won't have to worry your meaty little head about that.

And your point about not having any empathy for Iraqis because you don't know any is just absurd. Do you know anyone who was killed in 9/11? Well, I don't, but I still feel bad for the fact that innocent lives were taken. So why should I feel any different about the innocent Iraqi lives taken every day?

The issue isn't of the terrorists being killed (even though we've barely captured any); it's the innocent people, who aren't the Islamo-Facists. You want terrorists killed as a wave of the finger; fine. But don't undermind the innocent civilians, they're the biggest issue of this whole atrocity.

Re: Re: Does anyone here even know any Iraqis?

 TheAlphaNick wrote:

Apparently, our main reason for staying in Iraq is to bring them democracy. Protect their rights.

Why should I care? I never met an Iraqi in my life. I got ripped off with bad change from a New York cabby one though. He could have been.

But yea, we've been "training" the Iraqi army for 3 years now? How retarded are they? Load. Aim. Fire. OK, good luck with that Akmullahizzow, and don't forget to vote!

The president is stubborn, and he doesn't have to worry about reelection, so fine. I can accept that. I can accept all this crap about Iraq. But what pisses me off is how he sells out his own country. He backs off from calling our enemies Islamo-fascists or even terrorists anymore! On Sept 11 he told us we'll never forget the "19 men" that did this. The 19 men. Makes me sick. Bush panders to the "sensitive" Muslims in his speeches regarding our real enemy. I don't like what's going on in Iraq, but I especially can't stand him being a pussy.

Re: christ in an s&m spread...some self-awareness please

 TheAlphaNick wrote:

I especially can't stand him being a pussy.

Re: the media sucks

i was asked to go on a news thing here that would be broadcasted all over canada (i think) tlaking about sep 11 and i didint. why? because the media is making money from movies, papers, random coverage of teh events when no other news is made etc etc.

oh yea, and bush sucks.

Re: Re: christ in an s&m spread...some self-awareness please

 vivaknievel wrote:

 TheAlphaNick wrote:

I especially can't stand him being a pussy.

meow! men would be so entertaining if they didn't insist on killing people. go ahead and call everyone pussies and cunts until you're hard as a rock, you transparent wet-ends XD --too bad women and children get stuck with the tab for your homoerotic showdowns. were you going to use your righteous aggro and its total communication breakdown to speed the reform of a religion stuck in the dark ages (fundamentalist islam) or slow the genocidal manifest destiny of a herd of xenophobic crackers (that'd be u.s.)? if not, i guess y'all are just more of the problem.

3/4 the genetic data...the world is run by reptilian brainstems! kidding. just kidding. punk would be the first casualty of a world without dick. <---closing with a pacifier! peacemaking! badabing, baby. see how we make with the manipulative higher order thinking? hillary 2008!!

Re: this is not an attack, hillary <3

but, *peeks out from under burqa* we've got to draw the line at political correctness somewhere before total anaemic unconsciousness. you don't know any female refugees...

i wish chavez were right, that the un should be moved out of the us, because we have lost all moral credibility. but only 3 percent of us have passports--we'd forget the un ever existed.

Re: wow

most of you seem to lack any clarity in your analysis of morality. We can all agree that Bush is a bad president, but what I can't agree with is that we shouldn't be so quick to judge those primitive morons in countries like Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, etc because our country is totalitarian too? OK Rosie O'Donnel, whatever you say.

And by the way, Hillary in 2008 is a dream that will never be realized. She could never captivate a general audience in America, and it's not because she's a woman either.

I still ask though, why should we care about Iraqi's freedom to this degree? Ought we to go to every country under a dictator and train their armies too? Stop following your feelings so much, and think about it. I want out of Iraq and I want us to realize our enemies for who they are. Sounds fair to me. Sorry if my language was too colorful for you.

Obviously a lot of punk fans (of all ages apparently) are going to be pacifists, so I'll stop here if I can't change even one line of thinking.

Re: iii

i like the barder system

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You're the primitive moron. Saying "I want us to realize our enemies for who they are" is completely ignorant. They're not human scum, they're mislead... so 80% or more of Americans are Christians, do you honestly think that they'd still hold the same values if they were raised in a Fundamentalist Islam society?

The fact that you hold an entire population to be all of the same level of terrorist and you care more about kicking ass than teaching class to the poor people shows that you're just as ignorant, if not more than this image of the average Iraqi you've created.

Oh, and thinking with empathy instead of your self-centered bullshit shows that you're evolved. Thought you should know that.

By the way, I don't think Hillary is really what this country needs... there's rumors abound that Al Gore's gonna jump into the race at the last minute, though, and that'd just be orgasmic.

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'Those primitive morons..' You have got to be fucking kidding me

Re: So thin-skinned.

When did I ever equalize normal civilians with terrorists? I'd ask you to learn to read a little more carefully, but you have bigger problems to worry about when you find Al Gore to be "orgasmic."

The enemy is the extremist Muslim terrorist. But this is not the whole story. Out of the 14 extremist Muslim groups in Iraq, only one has ties to Al Qaeda. Being in Iraq does close to nothing to make America safer. Once again, we agree on the fundamentals here. But you get so worked up over a little colorful language.

Yes their culture has no place in the modern world. The Arab third world countries contribute little to nothing to the world, and it has to do with their backward culture and totalitarianism. You can say they're mislead, and their situation is tragic. What difference does it make. Do you honestly want to fight terrorism with understanding and re-education? That plan is no more worthy of America than President Bush's, that's for sure.

Re: Oh and another thing...

You're only 15, so I'm gonna let you pass on calling me a moron. It's a sign of not being able to answer an actual argument.

But I have to question your own intelligence when you ask a question like Would American Christians "still hold the same values if they were raised in a Fundamentalist Islam society?"
The answer is no. Because they'd be beheaded if they rejected Islam.

What does Christianity even have to do with this topic? America is not a Christian nation. We're a country based on secular values, so what are you driving at bringing this up?

Re: (argh) can't...look...away...

{q a=[[TheAlphaNick]]}The Arab third world countries contribute little to nothing to the world/q}

don't misunderstand, i'm not strapping onto your crowded daisy chain, but that was pretty cold--it is not the arab world's role to 'contribute' something that the US perceives to be of value. we are a culture that will mow down any and all things that we can't eat or fuck. self-determination is an inalienable right <--that's our alleged schtick, not theirs.

note--we're 'based' on secular values, but our president is a born-again and the religious right got us into this shitstorm to begin with.

where you're on the other side of the aisle on this--i want to know if there is any overt satisfaction in your house that this overseas war is an engineered magnet to eliminate a contentious population. (=reiteration of one of cellphone's stylized points). do you disagree with that characterization?

Re: Oh Almighty Thesaurus God

"i want to know if there is any overt satisfaction in your house that this overseas war is an engineered magnet to eliminate a contentious population. do you disagree with that characterization?"

Well, the 15 year old called me a moron, and now there's a 33 year old using...well...every other word in the English language. Maybe that means nothing, just an observation.

OK so I will try to answer your question as best I can, even though I believe your "in your house" and "engineered magnet" attempts at metaphor are silly.

My idea of the war in Iraq is that it does not support American interests. No bid contracts? Shady. The way we're fighting that war is in a way as if we want to fight it forever. Fallujah for example could have easily been dismantled early on with zero ground troop casualties. Right now we have 6yr olds throwing rocks at our troops and 12yr olds throwing hand grenades, but we're not allowed to shoot back? We're not allowed to blow up a mosque where insurgents are hiding to kill our men? It's a politically correct (or cowardly?) way to fight a war and I blame the administration for all of this. So does your premise give my house overt satisfaction? I have no f***ing clue, but I stand by what I've said.