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| hippikiller registered: 10/21/2004 00:00 posts: 437  | FRANZ FERDINAND IS... one of the best bands ever! so UP WITH FRANZ |
| posted: 12/7/2004 03:49 | Reply | PM | Edit | IP |
| 17 minutes registered: 5/30/2004 00:00 posts: 167 | Well Not one of the best bands ever. But they're good. |
| posted: 12/7/2004 03:50 | Reply | PM | Edit | IP |
| killermader registered: 11/21/2004 00:00 posts: 7 | shut up heyho! thats a homepage from the hives! shut up ,ok! go to a forum,which is preparted to speak about franz ferdinand ,but here farnz ferdinand has nothing to do ,OK? |
| posted: 12/7/2004 05:15 | Reply | PM | Edit | IP |
| Dr.MattDestruction registered: 8/30/2004 00:00 posts: 1238 | hey! Shut the hell up dumbass! The franz rocks!!! |
| posted: 12/7/2004 06:41 | Reply | PM | Edit | IP |
| TheHivesAreMedicine registered: 7/25/2004 00:00 posts: 580 | besides... they suck! LOL They really are a bunch of ripoff artists. If you really want to check out some talented young homosexuals check out The Pet Shop Boys instead. |
| posted: 12/7/2004 06:42 | Reply | PM | Edit | IP |
| Danuka registered: 6/24/2004 00:00 posts: 1694 | excuse me, but the sexual orientation of the band members has nothing to do with the music. Even if The Franz were gay, their music probably wouldn´t be any different. You suggesting that they´re not talented is fuckin´ rude and unacceptable. Even if this is a Hives forum, we´re allowed to talk about the bands we like. If there can be a thread dedicated to slagging of this band, there can´t be a reason why there couldn´t be a Franz-appreciation thread. If you are so narrow-minded that you have to slag off every other band that is mentioned on this forum except for The Hives, I suggest you take the stick out from your arse and relax a bit. |
| posted: 12/7/2004 09:41 | Reply | PM | Edit | IP |
| TheHivesAreMedicine registered: 7/25/2004 00:00 posts: 583 | this probably was not entirely directed to me since I think we both know each other reasonably well - I think we've PM'ed each other on reasonably friendly terms in the past. Nonetheless, I didn't and wouldn't suggest that anyone's sexuality has anything to do with their being good or bad artists. I was only being funny and actually quasi-quoting Steve Albini on the matter. Anyway, Franz Ferdinand is not a good bad for a lot of reasons the biggest of which is an incredible lack of imagination and originality. I think if people exposed themselves to bands like Joy Division, Pet Shop Boys, Gang Of Four and Wire, they would see exactly where Franz comes from and exactly who they're ripping off. They're also as big a marketing ploy as The White Stripes are. As for the board... For all I care, anyone can talk about whatever they want - including chastising people who want to talk about slagging off Franz and people who want to talk about not talking about Franz. |
| posted: 12/7/2004 10:03 | Reply | PM | Edit | IP |
| Danuka registered: 6/24/2004 00:00 posts: 1696 | yeah, that second part wasn´t aimed at you... But there´s a difference between ripping someone off and being influenced by someone. Is there something wrong with FF wanting to make the kind of music they actually like? They´ve said in interviews that they have all listened to those bands, and admit that their music might have some similarities to them. But it´s unnecessarily cynical to claim that they haven´t made anything interesting. Ok, so maybe it´s nothing new or unheard, but does it really have to be? If it´s well made and great to listen to, what more do you need? Music doesn´t have to change the world, you know. |
| posted: 12/7/2004 11:30 | Reply | PM | Edit | IP |
| hippikiller registered: 10/21/2004 00:00 posts: 438 | yeah damn you listen to what danuka is saying!!! |
| posted: 12/7/2004 12:06 | Reply | PM | Edit | IP |
| Destiny's Car registered: 9/23/2004 00:00 posts: 152 | Franz Ferdinand = Good Band Very pleasing to the ears. I love "This Fire". |
| posted: 12/7/2004 12:37 | Reply | PM | Edit | IP |
| streetbooty19 registered: 7/4/2004 00:00 posts: 13 |  YESup with Franz! They're amazing and fun to watch on stage.... |
| posted: 12/7/2004 13:21 | Reply | PM | Edit | IP |
| RedSony registered: 11/28/2004 00:00 posts: 27 | yes! I for one, LOVE Franz. Of course that is my opinion and I am entitled to it as everyone else is to their own. I saw them at the same venue I saw The Hives and they gave an awesome performance! I think they are one of the few bands that sounds better live than in the studio. As for "ripping off"....well, what band is not influenced by those before them? If you think about it, no band is truly original. If most of you had been alive in the 60's and 70's you would see where The Hives really get their sound and style from. The thing that makes these bands good is their own sense of uniqueness and "panache" that they bring to the sound they create. That's my two cents. Bye! :) |
| posted: 12/7/2004 14:02 | Reply | PM | Edit | IP |
| TheHivesAreMedicine registered: 7/25/2004 00:00 posts: 586 | but It's one thing to be influenced by something and another thing to rip off - and they do rip off. The truth is that Franz is not bad nor great. They're perfectly mediocre. And that is a death sentence for just about anything in the realm of art. I think Franz will be one of those bands that in 10 years you're gonna look back at and say "Jeez...why did I ever like these guys?". |
| posted: 12/7/2004 16:54 | Reply | PM | Edit | IP |
| RedSony registered: 11/28/2004 00:00 posts: 28 | I know.... I'm gonna get some backlash for this, but what about The Hives?.... Their whole sound, look, and even Pelle's movements could be considered a "rip off". (Forgive me guys for saying that, please). They sound like the garage bands of the late 60's and early 70's. Their outfits are very 50's and also 60's "Beatlesque", you could say. And how many times have we heard Pelle being compared to Mick Jagger??? Their wholly based on going back to the days of "rock-n-roll". They don't even write their own music. But Franz does. I'll give them that. Now, I'm sorry, I don't mean to sound like a Hives basher, y'all know I love them. I think it's them as individuals and performers that makes them so awesome. They are a hell of a live band. That is what they do best, perform. I just hate to think of people calling Franz a "rip off". If that is truly the case, as I've said, then what do peole think The Hives are? |
| posted: 12/7/2004 20:16 | Reply | PM | Edit | IP |
| Mrs.Arson registered: 11/26/2004 00:00 posts: 40 | debate now now, i mean i really like Franz, not as much as the hives, but the hives are not a rip off! i mean you can compare to someone and be different! i think the way he performs like mick, is just the way he is. they're not ripping anyone off. i think its great that, if anything, bands are being more like the 60s rock!!! i love 80s stuff, buts the 60s stuff is alot better then that kinda crap! and i think its great that franz is in the same boat. theyre both good, but neither are rip offs!!! my opinion, dont kill me with your comments!!! |
| posted: 12/7/2004 20:23 | Reply | PM | Edit | IP |
| POLLYNAPOLEON registered: 9/23/2004 00:00 posts: 1029 |  Oi!*Polly proudly raises her middle right hand digit and screams* Hey! Would you like a lemon or a lime with that post, Mister?! C'mon! |
| posted: 12/7/2004 20:26 | Reply | PM | Edit | IP |
| POLLYNAPOLEON registered: 9/23/2004 00:00 posts: 1030 | It's really sad... that you had to post that RedSony. You seemed fairly smart, and you took some great photos, too. Geez! What a shame! What a crying shame! |
| posted: 12/7/2004 20:29 | Reply | PM | Edit | IP |
| LostLenore13 registered: 8/3/2004 00:00 posts: 423 |  yea that aint coolbut ive been bashed a lot by the so called "punk music lovers" at my school that are always saying The Hives are gimmicky but im like what the fuck*? i mean, i love them and i dont think they are rip offs at all...and it pisses me off that most of them dont even listen to the hives!!! grr bashers make me angry |
| posted: 12/7/2004 20:29 | Reply | PM | Edit | IP |
| Mrs.Arson registered: 11/26/2004 00:00 posts: 43 | huh? hey are you talking to me napoleon? |
| posted: 12/7/2004 20:29 | Reply | PM | Edit | IP |
| POLLYNAPOLEON registered: 9/23/2004 00:00 posts: 1031 | No, no. I'm talking about Redsony's post. Shame, isn't it? |
| posted: 12/7/2004 20:36 | Reply | PM | Edit | IP |
| LostLenore13 registered: 8/3/2004 00:00 posts: 424 | yea i s'pose i mean as a hives fan i would defend them no matter what...but i guess to each their own |
| posted: 12/7/2004 20:40 | Reply | PM | Edit | IP |
| Mrs.Arson registered: 11/26/2004 00:00 posts: 45 | bad bad i believe the same, dont compare, thats all!!! |
| posted: 12/7/2004 20:43 | Reply | PM | Edit | IP |
| I'm barely legal registered: 11/8/2004 00:00 posts: 195 | randomnest ahoy theres this bit on london calling where the guy screams some lyric and it really reminded me of pelle screaming on the opening thing for walk idiot walk.... |
| posted: 12/7/2004 22:19 | Reply | PM | Edit | IP |
| Sappii registered: 10/21/2004 00:00 posts: 349 | I think I understand what RedSony's trying to say. And she/he didn't want to bash anything at all. Anyway, being original isn't very easy. Since the sixties there have been so many different rockscenes. And about Franz, I saw them live and the shows they give are just awesome. I'm not a great fan of their music though, but it's just fun to watch. (At the moment). |
| posted: 12/8/2004 02:48 | Reply | PM | Edit | IP |
| TheHivesAreMedicine registered: 7/25/2004 00:00 posts: 589 | actually RedSony is mostly right though. The difference is the amount of stuff the Hives are willing to rip off, their attitude and the live performance. Yes, the Hives are derrivative and sometimes cross over into the rip off realm - anyone with two ears and a brain can hear that Diabolic Scheme is It's a Man's World. But there is a difference between nicking some riffs and copying riffs. I think for the most part the hives nick and Franz thieve. There is also another difference. The Hives are completely unafraid to go against the grain and rock out. Franz toe a very safe line, the same line that is being toed by Rock'n Roll Jim Jims The Strokes, White Stripes, The Datsuns, etc. In other words, The Hives will do what they want without fear while these other guys play it safe by offering milquetoast compositions. |
| posted: 12/8/2004 09:23 | Reply | PM | Edit | IP |
| RedSony registered: 11/28/2004 00:00 posts: 29 | thanks To the intelligent ones on this board who understand what I am trying to say. And yes, derivative is a word I was looking for. But despite all that, I think The Hives are fabulous. I think Franz is fabulous and I'm sticking to it. Who cares where their influences came from. Who cares if some people may think they're "rip offs". I just love and enjoy the music and it is my right to do so. As long as they keep making the wonderful music they do, I will keep listening. It worries me how defensive some people can be about The Hives. Just relax, we are all fans here. |
| posted: 12/8/2004 09:38 | Reply | PM | Edit | IP |
| Mrs.Arson registered: 11/26/2004 00:00 posts: 52 |  sorrywell i guess we are all fans here, and are kinda defensive, but not in a mean way. we're all just voicing our opinions. by the way, you said that diabolic scheme sounded like another song? who sings the other song, so i can listen to it? im curious? mrs.arson |
| posted: 12/8/2004 10:08 | Reply | PM | Edit | IP |
| RedSony registered: 11/28/2004 00:00 posts: 31 | mrs. arson.... that wasn't me who said that. But I'd be interested in hearing it too. ;) |
| posted: 12/8/2004 10:57 | Reply | PM | Edit | IP |
| POLLYNAPOLEON registered: 9/23/2004 00:00 posts: 1080 |  Why do all these old bands...have to rip-off THE HIVES?! Everybody has to have a piece of THE HIVES' cake, eh? Hehe. J/K. |
| posted: 12/8/2004 18:35 | Reply | PM | Edit | IP |
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